Thanks for the detailed answers @johannes & @thetechnobear
Yes off course, but both affect the quality of what comes out of the device you are working with. Better components = better sound... Better algorithms = better sound(That is why i am talking about both things in same thread). I think this is why a professional compressor easily cost 3000 dollars and a Behringer compressor costs 100 euro. They might have the same signal flow, but better componenets make it sound better. Probably most valid in analog domain. I am just trying to figure out what is possible and what is not What might help gettin better sound out of the litte device.
Totally understandable about the power consumption.....
About the Kyma comparison. I know there is huge difference between Axoloti and Symbolic Sounds goals. Kyma is a proffesional sound developer tool and Axoloti is something else. Kymas cheapest system comes at a price of..... 3000 dollars. And that is truely a VERY basic limited system.... so of course it is not fair to compare those two on sound quality. But I see no reason not to be inspired by it.
Kyma obviously use quality components etc., as I talked about above. That is their thing. I guess quality of the internal part of what ever device we are talking about is related to price. For example the same friend of mine with the Kyma has got a Roger Foote compressor. Compressor for uber geeks. One knob on that devide cost around 50 euro!!!! These are used because they are really precise and they last more than a life time. But this compressor also cost around 3000 dollars.
But on the patching side, Axoloti is way more approachable and appealing than Kyma. Both is open source and you can write your own custom objects/prototypes in both devices. But it is NOT recommended writing your own stuff in Kyma, but possible. This is info from my friend who owns the system, I have not checked up on this myself... and also from what I understand extremely complex to create algorithms for Kyma and not much help to retrieve from anywhere. Axoloti is a lot more welcoming in this area.
I am not saying or concluding anything, just wondering what the reason might be that there is a limit to how hot the volume can get. Maybe not -14 maybe it was -18. Sorry dont know the exact number. But I know others have noticed too:
But yes, I was thinking this might had something to do with the components. But dont hang me for this, I am just guessing. and trying to find out what the limit -18db comes from. Might be algorithm, might be components, might be a mix of both? Again no critique, just curios about it, trying to understand
What I compared in Axoloti was basicly jus a simple granular patch, so sampling. Kyma sounded in your face powerful, no clicking even with the smallest grainsizes. But couldnt do nearly as complex stuff as Axoloti. Axoloti was IMO more fun to play with than Kyma, but Kyma just sounded better.
And by the way, great work @johannes & @thetechnobear I guess you have put some hours in this device. I saw someone was working on undo and colouring. Cant wait for that to be implemented(if it will).
Yes I have been trying some of these new custom objects out. They all benefit to better sound quality. Actually I use the oversampling from JHO(I think i was) just before the output of a patch. I think it is not intended to be used like that, but to me it sounds better (less flat) and thats all I need
Yes true. I guess that is down to algorithms and trying to recreate "non linearity" in a digital environment. Possible but not easy. And I think people dont give those secrets away for free as you mention. Some are more succesful with this than others I guess. And Yeah Sean from Vahalla is definatly one that needs recognition. Great plug ins they make. But sure for him it is a buisness and off course he wont give away his bread and butter. And off course this is a conflic area with open source.
Yes off course. They spend a looooong time on those devices. Nord G2 is also 24 bit 96khz internal processing. That I am pretty sure has got something to do with how "fat" it sounds.
No did not compare anything in more "scientific way". Next time Ill go visit him Ill do that. Make a few sound experiments, recreating same sounds on both systems, maybe even record and bring it back here for you to listen.
@johannes the encryption key that you are talking about, would that be for protecting algorithms from copying? Yeah that would make much sense in an open source environment.
But I am just personally thinking that there is something to gain on Axoloti. It is all ready good, but can be better. Always good to strive to become better
I wish I was a programmer and could make anything of the code in Axoloti. To contribute on that side but I cant. but maybe some ideas and thoughs can be shared anyway
Anyway, I have seen another device, small one a bit similar to Axoloti. That one has got an analog stage on the output. Maybe it was dmfx-1? Not as complex as axoloti I saw somewhere, that he has no plans in the future to sell this device alone, he needs partners to make it a product. I dont think that itll happen in near future. But everything is available on Github. If you want to, you can build it yourself. Anyway, back to the subject about the analog stage in the output. Could this also be a solution for axoloti? To have an Analog gain/drive/whatever on the output, to compensate for digital sound and maybe also to gain? I think this could be a great addition to Axoloti. Or maybe I could just build this myself and add it after. That is also a solution, I guess But it could be great to have control of this internally in axoloti.
Anyway, Axoloti is still early in development. Good things will happen, I am sure.